There will not be a Linus 2, but rather there will be a peaceful transfer of “power”.
Linus is not the Benevolent Dictator For Life of the Linux Kernel.
Linus has already stepped away from developing the Kernel. He did this after an incident to work on his professionalism & mannerisms towards people. Kernel development did not stop. Linus does not approve and merge every patch into the Kernel.
Rather it is more likely that the Lead Maintainer/Developer changes to Greg Kroah-Hartmon, and the project does not skip a beat.
Rest assured with something as important as the Linux Kernel: development will keep going.
Everyone is making jokes but the thought has occurred to me:
Yes, we have an organisation in place that is ready to replace him. But, from what I understand, he IS the benevolent dictator, and he has used his power a few times to stop some changes that otherwise would be in the kernel right now. And I think that’s a good thing.
There will be so many forks trying to continue a Kernel based on linux and i think a few will succeeded! We may use arch kernel or debian kernel in the future.
This used to be the norm, not a weird thing that noone has thought of before. If you do this your kernel will be a lot smaller, boot faster, and be a bit more secure. Once you’re booted it won’t make any meaningful speed difference though.
It makes a HUGE difference in compile time. Which only matters if you’re building your own kernel anyway. It’s a solution for its own problem.
I think it’s a good learning experience though. There is genuinely a lot of stuff in there that you can easily, safely remove, and reading up on all the less obvious flags is fun.
I have doubts you would see any performance increases, and if you change your hardware you’ll be in for a tough time but it would be a fun learning experience!
Thats a question I have. I have two laptops, a shitty amd ryzen thinkpad t495 and a fancy soon-to-be-corebooted Clevo NV41MZ with i7-11** cpu. Pretty crazy performance difference although the chassis and keyboard suck. But if I get the keyboard I want to simply swap drives, as there is nothing fancy, this should just work right?
Swapping CPU manufacturers entirely? I’d just start my kernel config fresh. Pull up the old one next to a new (default ) one and go down line by line. Odds are there are at most a few flags that would need to be changed, but it’s a good chance to reevaluate your previous decisions too.
Nothing. Linus doesn’t personally do coding on the kernel, he has a team who do that and he oversees it and makes the hard decisions.
There are others who will take his place and the work will continue.
If somehow the entire kernel team shut down, Google, Samsung or some other large corporation would take it over and continue development because at this point many, many, many servers, phones, smart devices, iot, and other appliances rely on the Linux kernel to function.
“Today here at Microsoft we are celebrating the legacy of the late Linus Torvalds by releasing a new kernel, re-written entirely in Golang using Copilot. No GPL code was touched, merely re-written, and we will offer ISOs to the coding community for free! Stay tuned for more updates, as we will be exclusively developing on this kernel going forward! This is a great day for open source!”
Nothing. Linus doesn’t personally do coding on the kernel, he has a team who do that and he oversees it and makes the hard decisions.
Even that is not really the truth. There are dozens and dozens of teams that actually do the development, then there are people who coordinate and maintain certain parts of the kernel, merge in patches and make decisions. And then there’s Linus who does coordinate these people.
There are others who will take his place and the work will continue.
And most likely Greg K-H will take over the position that Linus has right now. He has been one of the most active maintainers and is probably “the number 2” behind Linus.
The far future: A man sits at a table, staring at a floating hologram display. He watches as an indecipherable block of alphanumeric characters wiggles and splits into two segments. He nods slowly.
He takes a breath and closes his eyes, broadcasting a message to everyone on duty that day.
“Merge the request. Tell Linus#3418 that Wayland is now the default display manager.”
The top secret classified, for your eyes only papers will finally be revealed and we will find out that…
we have all been using BETAMAX this whole time, not Linux. O_o
The role of Linus being a stubborn decision maker will be handed over to a competent close one to Linus. He is not letting any of the “sociopolitical” experts take over the tech role that Linux plays critical to servers, security users, militaries, governments and activists.
A number of candidates will create their own forks and there will be a long Game of Thrones style war between different factions. After couple of weeks each distro will choose the fork they will make the default one and people will split into warring factions. After that we will enter a nuclear winter style period lasting couple of years during which 90% of post on Lemmy will be just shitposting the rival forks. After a decade or two of backstabbing, dirty politics and other drama new dictator will be selected and all will be back to normal.
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Not much will change.
Linux Foundation is where open source projects go to die.
Clone him
Git clone
you mean fork him under a new maintainer?
Rudolf Jaenisch would like a word with u
https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/16/world/cloned-rhesus-monkey-china-scn/index.html
There will not be a Linus 2, but rather there will be a peaceful transfer of “power”.
Linus is not the Benevolent Dictator For Life of the Linux Kernel.
Linus has already stepped away from developing the Kernel. He did this after an incident to work on his professionalism & mannerisms towards people. Kernel development did not stop. Linus does not approve and merge every patch into the Kernel.
Rather it is more likely that the Lead Maintainer/Developer changes to Greg Kroah-Hartmon, and the project does not skip a beat.
Rest assured with something as important as the Linux Kernel: development will keep going.
Morgan freeman voice: but he was not rested or assured.
You’re right, I am not.
But what happens when GKH and Linus are hit by a bus? The same bus. At the same time.
BSD fanatics driving the bus
*Greg Kroah-Hartman
DIGIMON!
Everyone is making jokes but the thought has occurred to me: Yes, we have an organisation in place that is ready to replace him. But, from what I understand, he IS the benevolent dictator, and he has used his power a few times to stop some changes that otherwise would be in the kernel right now. And I think that’s a good thing.
Greg K-H is the presumed successor and there’s no reason to think he wouldn’t do the same.
There are plenty of other tech youtubers to watch.
@luthis
There will be so many forks trying to continue a Kernel based on linux and i think a few will succeeded! We may use arch kernel or debian kernel in the future.
Then the propheciced hurdnus will rise and awaken a new era of foss
fuck i really struggled to pronounce that even in my head, jesus.
GNU will spring their plan into motion for world domination, and send anyone who has said Linux and not GNU/Linux to GNUlag
They will finally release HURD
The real HURD is the friends we made along the way.
[everyone liked that]
This make me actually spit coffee out. I don’t know why but it caught me off guard and I found it hilarious.
They’ll reveal that GNU was actually Unix all along.
GNU is Now Unix
That devious Joseph Stallman!
My brain autocorrected the surname the first read through
Nothing. But I would love a microkernel approach like redoxOS. Monolithic kernel is such a bloat?
Can’t you compile your own kernel with exactly the things you want? Would be a fun project to do
True. Funny idea I should totally do this. This is how you learn Linux. Like a kernel for exactly your hardware specs!
This used to be the norm, not a weird thing that noone has thought of before. If you do this your kernel will be a lot smaller, boot faster, and be a bit more secure. Once you’re booted it won’t make any meaningful speed difference though.
Yep. When you have an 800mb HD and 16mb of EDO RAM, you only load what you need. The boot speed was unreal at the time compared to windows.
It makes a HUGE difference in compile time. Which only matters if you’re building your own kernel anyway. It’s a solution for its own problem.
I think it’s a good learning experience though. There is genuinely a lot of stuff in there that you can easily, safely remove, and reading up on all the less obvious flags is fun.
I have doubts you would see any performance increases, and if you change your hardware you’ll be in for a tough time but it would be a fun learning experience!
Thats a question I have. I have two laptops, a shitty amd ryzen thinkpad t495 and a fancy soon-to-be-corebooted Clevo NV41MZ with i7-11** cpu. Pretty crazy performance difference although the chassis and keyboard suck. But if I get the keyboard I want to simply swap drives, as there is nothing fancy, this should just work right?
Swapping CPU manufacturers entirely? I’d just start my kernel config fresh. Pull up the old one next to a new (default ) one and go down line by line. Odds are there are at most a few flags that would need to be changed, but it’s a good chance to reevaluate your previous decisions too.
I havent made any specific kernel changes, its just standard Fedora :D
Um… I’m going to choose to phone a friend on this one…
Oh, …I have no friends who would know.
My instinct is you’re going to need to journalctl -b and see what modprobe and udev are up to.
Get on with it then.
Guy: I wish I had a flying car.
You: Invent one then.
My megabytes D=
When linus dies we will pull a weekend at bernie’s and make commits under his name then we will turn him into a human meat puppet.
Nothing. Linus doesn’t personally do coding on the kernel, he has a team who do that and he oversees it and makes the hard decisions.
There are others who will take his place and the work will continue.
If somehow the entire kernel team shut down, Google, Samsung or some other large corporation would take it over and continue development because at this point many, many, many servers, phones, smart devices, iot, and other appliances rely on the Linux kernel to function.
It simply cannot be left to die.
“Today here at Microsoft we are celebrating the legacy of the late Linus Torvalds by releasing a new kernel, re-written entirely in Golang using Copilot. No GPL code was touched, merely re-written, and we will offer ISOs to the coding community for free! Stay tuned for more updates, as we will be exclusively developing on this kernel going forward! This is a great day for open source!”
Our worst nightmare come true 😱
I just got so mad.
Golang is a Google thing, Microsoft would probably use C#
Too big to fail is for once not for a big corporation or bank
😁
Even that is not really the truth. There are dozens and dozens of teams that actually do the development, then there are people who coordinate and maintain certain parts of the kernel, merge in patches and make decisions. And then there’s Linus who does coordinate these people.
And most likely Greg K-H will take over the position that Linus has right now. He has been one of the most active maintainers and is probably “the number 2” behind Linus.
Perkele!
Fun fact, Linus is Swedish speaking. :)
pärkälle
He speaks both languages, and in general Swedish Finns curse in finnish
Do I know this from Alan Wake 2 or My Summer Car?
His firstborn son will take over as Linus II, as is tradition.
Hm, he and his wife are getting on in years. If they want a son, they should probably get on that right away.
He has decided it shall pass on to his eldest daughter, and he has already fulfilled his kingly duties. Long may she reign.
The far future: A man sits at a table, staring at a floating hologram display. He watches as an indecipherable block of alphanumeric characters wiggles and splits into two segments. He nods slowly.
He takes a breath and closes his eyes, broadcasting a message to everyone on duty that day.
“Merge the request. Tell Linus#3418 that Wayland is now the default display manager.”
For King and Kernel!
The top secret classified, for your eyes only papers will finally be revealed and we will find out that…
we have all been using BETAMAX this whole time, not Linux. O_o
The role of Linus being a stubborn decision maker will be handed over to a competent close one to Linus. He is not letting any of the “sociopolitical” experts take over the tech role that Linux plays critical to servers, security users, militaries, governments and activists.
Linus has stepped away from kernel development before, and probably will again. Life continues on.
A number of candidates will create their own forks and there will be a long Game of Thrones style war between different factions. After couple of weeks each distro will choose the fork they will make the default one and people will split into warring factions. After that we will enter a nuclear winter style period lasting couple of years during which 90% of post on Lemmy will be just shitposting the rival forks. After a decade or two of backstabbing, dirty politics and other drama new dictator will be selected and all will be back to normal.
“The Lannisters send their commits”
he stabs him
So like systemd but ten times more dramatic.